Toast Titanium 20 Pro Bluray burning issue

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Danimal67 Author

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Toast Titanium 20 Pro Bluray burning issue

Trying to reply to an old post:

OS 12.6.1 Broke Roxio Toast - Apple Community

Did the OP ever find a solution?

I'm having the same, and other issues...

I just bought Toast Titanium 20 Pro hoping to continue burning Bluray discs.

New computer: Mac Studio (M2 - OS Sonoma 14.5).

(Using Bluray burner from OWC which burns fine on my 2012 mac mini using Toast 16.)

When adding 1 Quicktime movie (Prores 422 LT)to my Bluray project, the "fill bar" is blue. About 10gb.

But if i add another movie and the total comes to 22.65gb, the bar turns red.

(even though my discs hold 25gb)

Also, if i try to burn a .dmg image of that 22.65gb disc, it takes 3 hours and winds up being about 55gb!

If i make a .dmg of just the one movie, it comes out to 23gb. This can't be right.

The motion menus and the preview of the disc look so nice in Toast, i really want this to work.

Any helpful suggestions or insight?

Thanks,

Mac Studio, macOS 14.5

Posted on Nov 12, 2024 12:42 PM

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Answer 1

Kurt Lang

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Nov 13, 2024 7:27 AM in response to Danimal67

I'm using an M2 Pro mini on Sequoia. Toast 20 works as expected.

As far as the "bloating" issue, that's the difference between Base 2 and Base 10.

We have marketing people to thank for that. Computers only understand Base 2. On/Off. 0/1. That's why everything increments in steps of 2. Such as RAM. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, etc. As such, you will never, ever see a computer with a non-divisible size like 13 GB. 12, yes, because you could technically put 4 and 8 GB sticks in to total 12.

Anyway, marketers didn't like trying to define a Gigabyte as its true size of 1,073,741,824 bytes. So they rounded it off to 1,000,000,000. The more the size of the drive increases, the further away from the actual capacity you get.

Because many computer users know 1,000,000,000 is NOT one Gigabyte, the industry came up with two descriptions for what's supposed to be the same thing. GB for Base 10, and GiB for Base 2.

GB: A gigabyte is equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes.
GiB: A gibibyte is equal to 1,073,741,824 bytes. This means that one gibibyte is equal to 1.074 gigabytes, or a 7% difference

GiB is correct. GB is not as computers don't work that way. But, the new, incorrect description of the size of a GB has become so entrenched (because those rounded values are easier), that's what most folks think a GB equals. Which causes problems like drive sizes defined in GB values, and then the user is miffed when they can't get that much in GiB calculations on the drive. It makes you believe you got cheated on the drive capacity. And technically, you did.

Someone along the way, like at least a few years ago, Apple also went with the incorrect GB sizing to match how everyone else was using it.

All of that was to understand what Toast is doing. Your desktop says you have xxxx GB of data in Base 10. But Toast is calculating the actual size in Base 2. This is required so it knows what will fit on a disk. But the numerical difference makes it look like Toast is bloating the size. It isn't. The OS is using the false GB rounding calculations.

But 10GB to 22GB? I don't know what's going on there. That's a much bigger difference than GB to GiB.

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Answer 2

tbirdvet

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Nov 12, 2024 1:22 PM in response to Danimal67

This may depend on the disc but I have found that if a file size gets close to the disc capacity Toast my determine more space is required. Between disc (file) initialization and finalization additional space is required. All my files (movies) are burned directly from my Video camera SD card or movies that I have edited using iMovie and then export the file and use Toast to burn and I usually have no issues. I'm using Toast 19. I have never tried to burn any .dmg image so I cannot comment.

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Answer 3

Kurt Lang

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Nov 12, 2024 1:24 PM in response to Danimal67

What you're seeing is correct. You can't burn as much data on any disk as its size indicates. Room has to be left for lead in and lead out data.

Such as, a 4.7 GB single layer DVD can't hold more than about 4.3 GB of data.

So yes, 23 GB of data is about the most you can fit on a 25 GB disk.

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Answer 4

Danimal67 Author

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Nov 12, 2024 8:15 PM in response to Kurt Lang

Thanks guys, but i dont think file size is the issue. Reason is, the toast Fill bar is blue, meaning its ok. (Not red) Toast allocates about 500mb before i even add files, i assume to account for lead in/out, etc.

And even when i tried to create an image file (.toast file, not .dmg) from a 10gb movie it was bloated to a 22gb file.

When i tried to watch that 1 hour movie using a 3rd party bluray viewer, the movie was corrupted. Super slow playback with out of sync audio.

However, just to make things more complicated, i tried burning a shorter 2 minute clip to a .toast image from the same movie… played back fine, but the file size is still proportionally way too big. A movie won’t be burnable unless using 50gb discs. Still, the hour movie was corrupted anyway.

I noticed on the Roxio site it says Toast 20 is compatible with Sonoma (which i have) and M1 macs… but I have a Mac Studio with M2 Max.

Could the M2 be the issue?

Can anybody with M2 chime in if Toast burns Blurays ok for them?

thanks.

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Answer 5

tbirdvet

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Nov 13, 2024 4:58 AM in response to Danimal67

My Mac Studio M1 burns fine using Sonoma and now Sequoia and my M4 works fine so I would not think that the M2 would have any issues. In Toast you can try to make changes in the encoding menu and see if playback is any smoother.

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Answer 6

Danimal67 Author

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Nov 13, 2024 8:17 AM in response to tbirdvet

Thanks Tbird for that quick reply. Good to hear it's working on M4.

Just out of curiosity, did you ever try saving to a .toast image instead of burning right to disc?

And we're talking about Blu-ray movie, not DVD, right?

Wondering if you see the same bloating issue I am there?

I submitted a ticket with screen capture video to Roxio support. Still waiting to hear back.

Another issue I didn't mention here, was that in one final burn of the bluray movie, my chapter menus don't show up at all, except for the outline of one that gets stuck superimposed over the actual movie playing... and the movie plays automatically instead of waiting for a click. Clearly a glitch... but why? How?

Thanks for any & all info.

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Answer 7

Danimal67 Author

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Nov 14, 2024 7:24 AM in response to tbirdvet

Thanks again Tbird,

Well, after hours of troubleshooting I'm convinced it's a glitch in Toast 20 Pro.

I created 2 different movies using Davinci, same process, same format, basically identical except one is 60 minutes, one is 70 minutes.

The 60 minute movie is 10gb. and it exported as a .toast image as... 10gb!

Then I watched the movie on my Mac using Blu-Ray Player Pro, and all the chapter menus & navigation worked!

I thought I stumbled onto fixing something and was pretty excited.

Then I did the same process on the 2nd movie.

70 minute movie = 12gb, and it exported as a .toast image as... 49gb. Enter sad face.

OK, I can still burn that, but lets test it... and... chapter menus are missing, and same glitch, plays right away with overlay of first button outline on whole movie. Unacceptable.

Roxio support didn't reply to my response, just gave me cookie cutter instructions that are worthless.

I've narrowed it down, inside the .toast image, in the BDMV package file, inside the STREAM folder, there are several m2ts files,

One is for the 12gb move, the others are for the chapter menu pages and are about 50mb each.

However, in this glitch case, the one for my first chapter page that SHOULD be 50mb, is actually somehow duplicating the whole movie instead... at 12gb! Hence the double file size.

No idea how to fix that.

Tried re-exporting the movie from Davinci. Re-encoding with Toast using a different menu.

It just seems to think my first chapter menu page is the full movie, instead of a just a chapter page.

=(

Roxio is no help. Told me if the movie is over an hour it will need a double sided DVD.

They didn't pay attention that I told them this whole process is on a 25gb Bluray, not Dvd.

I have burned movies almost 2 hours on bluray, it's not an issue.

Wall/Head.

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Answer 8

tbirdvet

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Nov 13, 2024 4:54 PM in response to Danimal67

No. The only process or files I use is to transfer my video camera movie files (BDMV) directly to Toast or iMovie files I have finished and sent to Toast. I burn all Blu-ray DVD's.

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