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Need a Numbers template for Canadian ACB method?

Have searched various places but since I am a Numbers user, I thought this may be the best place to post...


This is what I want to do and I need it for getting the Canadian Average Cost basis method (ACB).

Would anyone be able to point me to where I could get, or make up myself, a good spread sheet for tracking all my various securities? I have seen examples of many but the opinion of a fellow numbers user would be more valuable to me.


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MacBook Air (M2, 2022)

Posted on Aug 18, 2024 10:48 AM

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Aug 21, 2024 2:35 PM in response to Quacks

I see no one has responded to your question. I am not aware of a Numbers template that will calculate the average cost of an investment. There may be something from Excel that you can import but I would be concerned about it using Excel array formulas that are not supported in Numbers.


It shouldn't be too hard to keep track of the average cost. Really you just need to keep track of the total cost and the number of shares.


  1. You will have columns for # of shares transacted, purchase price (for buys), sell price (for sales), total cost, and total number of shares. Shares in will be positive. Shares out will be negative. You can also have a column for average cost, which will simply be total cost/total shares.
  2. A buy adds directly to the total cost taken from the row above and to the number of shares taken from the row above.
  3. A sale subtracts from the shares taken from the row above. The cost is the average cost from the row above times the number of shares sold. Subtract that from the total cost taken from the row above.
  4. A stock split changes the number of total shares with no change in cost. This could be done as shares in or shares out without a purchase price or sell price. I assume a reverse split with a resulting fractional share could also include a small sale component.
  5. Don't sort the table or put anything out of chronological order. Buys wouldn't be affected but splits and sales may become incorrect unless you write formulas that can handle sorting and out-of-order transactions.
  6. A column with a popup of transaction type (buy,sell,split, etc) might make formulas easier or might not.


And whatever you do with reinvested dividends and the like. Not sure about that at the moment.


Those are my thoughts

Aug 22, 2024 6:07 AM in response to Quacks

My advice would be not to use a spreadsheet (Numbers or others) for this task.


The calculations in theory are not hard. But in practice they quickly get messy in a spreadsheet.


Unless you only have a small number of securities and transactions, you will be better off using software tools that are designed for portfolio management and/or tax calculations.


These typically aren't free. But they will get the job done.


SG

Aug 22, 2024 11:24 AM in response to Quacks

Have you found a version that can calculate ACB (Canadian method) the way you need, and the problem is just getting the data into it?


If so, you might want to check whether that version will import CSV data. If it does, then you might be in luck. Most banks/brokerages provide an option to download transaction data in a CSV file and you can then import that.


That's not as automated as having Quicken interface directly with the bank but it can work well. Much easier and less error-prone, I suspect, than trying to recreate the ACB calculations in a spreadsheet.


SG

Aug 23, 2024 11:29 AM in response to SGIII

That's right, and yes I have spoken to support on chat, and searched the communities for answers. There is no way to import a csv file into the Canadian version of Quicken Classic for mac. They only allow from the Mint.com.

fyi... my bank which is a major bank does not allow me to export QIF or any Q file etc. (only csv)

Aug 22, 2024 10:25 AM in response to SGIII

Thank you for your reply... I've been a long time Quicken user but the US version, both Mac and Windows don't calculate the ACB (Canadian Method). I just got the Canadian version of Quicken Classic for Mac but only option is LIFO/FIFO on accounts. No reports to get ACB. I finally tried the Windows Classic Canadian version. Odd, is that the Windows version subscription does not allow me to download transactions from my 'Bank - Wealth' like the Mac version does (would have to manually enter). Was speaking to Quicken for hours to get a definitive answer and it is true. Very different, window/mac versions. Hence, my ask of a good spreadsheet to do this. At this point, I really don't trust Quicken to do what I want.


Aug 22, 2024 1:38 PM in response to SGIII

Thank you! Yes, I can export .csv files from my accounts. I actually did that but wasn't sure how to get it into Quicken. I have never done that. Have always done everything manually. I will try to figure how to do that. Maybe that's all I need. :)

Update: I can't figure a way to get the .csv into Quicken Classic for Mac. Also, accounts are still showing as FIFO/LIFO. No ACB :(

Aug 23, 2024 7:51 PM in response to SGIII

Extremely frustrating. Thank you for the suggestion, to find a csv to qfx converter. I will try that too.

I was looking at my Quicken a little more. If I manually key in my transactions for each account, Quicken Classic for Mac does allow me to export my register as a csv spreadsheet. This, I can then manipulate to get what I want, in order to figure the ACB. Initially, I was trying to get away from spreadsheets but I guess not.

Another funny thing, the Q Classic for M also doesn't allow you to create a Mutual Fund account, the Windows product does. You have to either call the type 'Other' or 'Brokerage'. I think the Quicken organization has a big issue with the continuity of their products. Almost like they work in separate silos to create each product, each different.

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