XML titles revert to default position?

Here is the simple test I alluded to.

It consists of two basic titles. One should appear near the bottom, the other near the top.

If I am right, in DVR the bottom one will appear at the center...

You can just select all from the additional text below, and save as "test.fcpxml" to test.

EDIT: it is somehow not letting me post the xml in the additional text... but see below, it accepted in a full message

I don’t use DVR, so I may be off base here, but maybe this has something to do with it: in FCP you have to ways to move the contents of the title, by dragging the text directly or by using the Transform tool in the video Inspector (ortgr Viewer).

I am thinking that DVR honours the latter but not the former.

Can you determine if it makes a difference between titles with no position parameters published, and those titles *with* position parameters published?

There are several "tiers" of positioning involved. There is the Text (inspector) Position controls (which *cannot* be keyframed), and there are the general Transform Position parameters (which are "out of bounds" if the title has a background source element.) Published Position parameters can be keyframed, act only on the text elements for which they are published and don't interfere with background sources. It could be that the XML ignores "general" (Transform and non-keyframable Text) positions, but will honor published parameters which are the same parameters saved with Effects Presets and other XML elements in the app. (Keyframed or changed Transform Positions *should* be honored in the XML as well.)

Ian R. Brown wrote:

When you drag the title it alters the coordinates in the Inspector so it shouldn't really matter which way the position is adjusted.

Actually, not exactly.

If you drag the text position, as Fox said, it does change but there is nowhere in the Inspector where I can see that.

Only now I saw your original post images on my mac (difficult to make these out on the iPhone screen).

As you can see the Transform tool is active, and it was not used.

So I think I was right before in my interpretation: DVR does not use the position change that was applied with the Text tool.

I will post a simple test that you can use, if you like, to confirm: two similar titles, one moved with the Transform tool in the Video inspector, and another moved with the text transform tool. A simple XML, and you can tell us what you see in both FCP and DVR.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<!DOCTYPE fcpxml>

<fcpxml version="1.9">

<resources>

<format id="r1" name="FFVideoFormat1080p25" frameDuration="100/2500s" width="1920" height="1080" colorSpace="9-16-9 (Rec. 2020 PQ)"/>

<effect id="r2" name="Basic Title" uid=".../Titles.localized/Bumper:Opener.localized/Basic Title.localized/Basic Title.moti"/>

</resources>

<library location="file:///Users/lsequeir/Movies/Untitled.fcpbundle/" colorProcessing="wide-hdr">

<event name="line 1-en-US2 2" uid="CCB56C45-D28D-4FCD-B9C5-925B03558B77">

<project name="Title test" uid="1A38C311-A14D-4C0D-A6E9-BC8D46D739E9" modDate="2021-11-20 12:03:23 +0000">

<sequence format="r1" duration="25100/2500s" tcStart="0s" tcFormat="NDF" renderFormat="FFRenderFormatProRes4444" audioLayout="stereo" audioRate="32k">

<spine>

<title ref="r2" offset="0s" name="Moved down using the Text tool - Basic Title" start="3600s" duration="25100/2500s">

<param name="Position" key="9999/999166631/999166633/1/100/101" value="-31.3511 -441.688"/>

<param name="Flatten" key="9999/999166631/999166633/2/351" value="1"/>

<param name="Alignment" key="9999/999166631/999166633/2/354/999169573/401" value="1 (Center)"/>

<text>

<text-style ref="ts1">Moved down using the Text tool</text-style>

</text>

<text-style-def id="ts1">

<text-style font="Helvetica" fontSize="125" fontFace="Regular" fontColor="1 1 1 1" alignment="center"/>

</text-style-def>

<title ref="r2" lane="1" offset="3600s" name="Move up with the Transform Tool - Basic Title" start="3600s" duration="25100/2500s">

<param name="Flatten" key="9999/999166631/999166633/2/351" value="1"/>

<param name="Alignment" key="9999/999166631/999166633/2/354/999169573/401" value="1 (Center)"/>

<text>

<text-style ref="ts2">Move up with the Transform Tool</text-style>

</text>

<text-style-def id="ts2">

<text-style font="Helvetica" fontSize="108" fontFace="Regular" fontColor="1 1 1 1" alignment="center"/>

</text-style-def>

<adjust-transform position="2.22045e-16 30.8489"/>

</title>

</title>

</spine>

</sequence>

</project>

</event>

<smart-collection name="Projects" match="all">

<match-clip rule="is" type="project"/>

</smart-collection>

<smart-collection name="All Video" match="any">

<match-media rule="is" type="videoOnly"/>

<match-media rule="is" type="videoWithAudio"/>

</smart-collection>

<smart-collection name="Audio Only" match="all">

<match-media rule="is" type="audioOnly"/>

</smart-collection>

<smart-collection name="Stills" match="all">

<match-media rule="is" type="stills"/>

</smart-collection>

<smart-collection name="Favorites" match="all">

<match-ratings value="favorites"/>

</smart-collection>

<smart-collection name="25" match="all">

<match-property key="videoFrameRate" rule="is" value="25"/>

</smart-collection>

</library>

</fcpxml>

Import the XML into FCP, if the position is wrong file a bug for FCP else file a bug for DVR at BMD 😀

You are using the (video) Transform tool here.

The other one is when you click the text directly, there is a little anchor you can drag.

That is the one that DVR does not "see".

I don’t read XML. Does the text position when moved with OSC button appear in the exported XML?

Thanks.

Yes, it is there.

It is in the line that says

<param name=“Position” ….

The other one says

<adjust-transform position=…

Thanks.