Why does my Intel MacBook Pro battery drain when off?

2020 Intel 13" MacBook Pro running with current updates.

The battery drains when fully turned off and unplugged.


Even with the device fully turned off (yes, I waited for the caps lock light to go out) the laptop battery drains to 0% (yes 0 as in "zero") in about 2-3 days unplugged. My subsequent attempts at booting it met with only a completely black screen, which I have only seen when the battery is completely discharged. It drains so hard that even overnight charging didn't do the trick. I had to power cycle a couple of times (holding the power button down for 10 seconds on the black screen) and finally I got a low-battery icon on the screen to appear and it started charging again..


I had read many of the other articles on this problem and tried all of the tricks ensuring the device doesn't self-start, that it is really off, and checking for other activities that may be running even when off. Also turned off WiFi and Bluetooth. Nothing plugged into the device. Ran a virus scan. System settings verified, especially power related settings. I made all of those changes, and the problem persists. Didn't even slow down the problem.


I want to store the device, and recommendations are to store it with about a 50% charge, but it won't hold a charge without it being plugged in. It's a Catch-22. If I leave the battery fully discharged for an extended period of time I might as well use the MacBook as a wheel chock for all the good it will be to anyone.


Although it feels drastic, my next phase is to start uninstalling applications, possibly even fully refresh the machine from scratch, which will be a pain in the butt and time consuming with no guarantee it will fix the problem. But at this point I'm a little desperate.


Any suggestions out there that I haven't already tried (above)?

Is this a hardware problem?


Thanks



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MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 15.4

Posted on Apr 22, 2025 6:45 AM

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Posted on Apr 23, 2025 8:50 AM

By far the easiest way to cause poor performance, instability, overheating and crashing is to install ANY third-party speeder-uppers, Cleaners, Optimizers, or Virus scanners, Bit Torrent, or a VPN that you installed yourself. They are relentless in scanning your files, non-stop, looking for virus-like patterns in Everything, or looking for files that have changed. When completed, they do it all again.


The idea that a third party, with no special knowledge of the inner workings of MacOS, can somehow find a simple way to protect or speed up your computer — that is not already being done by MacOS itself — suggests that the MacOS developers are somehow "holding out on you". That is absurd.


You should remove any and all (other than Apple built-in) virus scanners, speeder uppers, optimizers, cleaners, App deleters or VPN packages you installed yourself, or anything of that ilk.


Your exceptionally well-crafted Macintosh computer does not accumulate filth that needs any third-party anything to clean it. Everything needed to run it efficiently was included in the box, except ONE: a drive on which to store a second copy of your files in case the first copy is damaged or deleted by accident. The backup software, Time Machine, is already present -- integrated deeply into MacOS.


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Next up is Non-native File Sync-ers.  Dropbox, Microsoft OneDrive, Google drive and others are in this category. Since they were ported from that other OS environment, they IGNORE the Mac File System Event Store (that could tell them EXACTLY what folders have changed recently) and instead do a a Brute-force read of all your files, and all the files stored on their drive on the Internet. This punishes the ability to get any data (including speed test data) through their enormous and frivolous file reading and re-reading.


They are also 'on the phone' checking and re-checking the synced file stored on the internet. Between constant scanning and constant Internet access, this uses a LOT of resources -- far more than Apple-native File-Syncers like iCloud. Running File-Syncers when not actually needed still consumes a lot of computer resources. You should NOT be launching these at Startup, but instead launch only when needed, and quit when Sync-ing is complete.


Backup-to-the-Web Utilities are also in this category. Your backup should be on a local drive, not on the web. If you question this, just ask.


Last up is Apple Sync-ers, such as sync-ing your iPhotos Library to iCloud. A substantial iPhotos library can take many, many hours to bring up-to-date. Doing that update can produce an Internet logjam until it gets completely up-to-date.

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Apr 23, 2025 8:50 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

By far the easiest way to cause poor performance, instability, overheating and crashing is to install ANY third-party speeder-uppers, Cleaners, Optimizers, or Virus scanners, Bit Torrent, or a VPN that you installed yourself. They are relentless in scanning your files, non-stop, looking for virus-like patterns in Everything, or looking for files that have changed. When completed, they do it all again.


The idea that a third party, with no special knowledge of the inner workings of MacOS, can somehow find a simple way to protect or speed up your computer — that is not already being done by MacOS itself — suggests that the MacOS developers are somehow "holding out on you". That is absurd.


You should remove any and all (other than Apple built-in) virus scanners, speeder uppers, optimizers, cleaners, App deleters or VPN packages you installed yourself, or anything of that ilk.


Your exceptionally well-crafted Macintosh computer does not accumulate filth that needs any third-party anything to clean it. Everything needed to run it efficiently was included in the box, except ONE: a drive on which to store a second copy of your files in case the first copy is damaged or deleted by accident. The backup software, Time Machine, is already present -- integrated deeply into MacOS.


--------

Next up is Non-native File Sync-ers.  Dropbox, Microsoft OneDrive, Google drive and others are in this category. Since they were ported from that other OS environment, they IGNORE the Mac File System Event Store (that could tell them EXACTLY what folders have changed recently) and instead do a a Brute-force read of all your files, and all the files stored on their drive on the Internet. This punishes the ability to get any data (including speed test data) through their enormous and frivolous file reading and re-reading.


They are also 'on the phone' checking and re-checking the synced file stored on the internet. Between constant scanning and constant Internet access, this uses a LOT of resources -- far more than Apple-native File-Syncers like iCloud. Running File-Syncers when not actually needed still consumes a lot of computer resources. You should NOT be launching these at Startup, but instead launch only when needed, and quit when Sync-ing is complete.


Backup-to-the-Web Utilities are also in this category. Your backup should be on a local drive, not on the web. If you question this, just ask.


Last up is Apple Sync-ers, such as sync-ing your iPhotos Library to iCloud. A substantial iPhotos library can take many, many hours to bring up-to-date. Doing that update can produce an Internet logjam until it gets completely up-to-date.

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Apr 22, 2025 6:07 PM in response to crwhiting

Ran a virus scan.


Pointless on Macs, and likely to be detrimental.


If I leave the battery fully discharged for an extended period of time I might as well use the MacBook as a wheel chock for all the good it will be to anyone.


You might as well, because storing a lithium polymer battery in a fully discharged state for an extended period of time is certain to kill it.


It seems as though that Mac's battery is simply no good. A Mac that has been shut down will consume almost no battery power, and a properly functioning battery should hold a charge for months in that condition. Have Apple evaluate it: Official Apple Support.


Uninstall the "virus scan" garbage before you do that. Rule 1 of Macs is don't install junk.

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Apr 30, 2025 2:01 PM in response to fseyler

After a full OS rebuild leaving it in its OEM state I have shut it down and boxed it until June(ish), which will be the earliest I can pick this up again. Prior to boxing it I did a quick check over 24 hours and observed little to no significant battery drain, which makes me think it is likely software related, and not hardware or OS. The strange thing is after monitoring process activity during its problem state I never saw anything that jumped out at me as being unusual. Anyway, nothing to see here ... yet. I will update if I find something.

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Apr 23, 2025 8:47 AM in response to crwhiting

NB >>

All of the below applies to those with ORDINARY risks. If you are a high profile activist who could be the target of nation-state type attacks, you will need to take FAR more precautions than ordinary users.


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MacOS shares a lot of the lock-down mechanisms developed for the iPhone. Applications are all sand-boxed with a list of the resources they require, and they cannot ask for anything outside their sandbox without crashing. Signed Applications are checked that they are from legitimate Developers, and Notarized Applications are delivered with the assurance that they have NOT been modified since their release by the Developer.


From MacOS 11 Big Sur onward, the system is on a Separate, crypto-locked System Volume, which is not writeable using ordinary means. Any unauthorized changes to the crypto-locked volume are quickly detected and you are alerted.


So you could store just about every malware known to mankind on your Mac, and your Mac would not get infected spontaneously. Scanning for virus-like patterns might make you feel a little better now, but non-stop scanning is outdated nonsense, and a tremendous waste of resources.


Nothing can become Executable Unless/Until you supply your Admin password to "make it so".


About the read-only system volume in macOS Catalina or later - Apple Support

About the read-only system volume in macOS Catalina or later - Apple Support


What is a signed system volume? - Apple Support

What is a signed system volume? - Apple Support


Signed system volume security in iOS, iPadOS, and macOS - Apple Support

Signed system volume security - Apple Support


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Apr 22, 2025 7:23 AM in response to crwhiting

I think you have determined experimentally that you can NOT store that computer with that battery without making power available. Be sure to also enable battery health management, for longest possible lifetime.


Batteries are a wear item, like soles of your shoes or tires and brake-pads on your car. Sooner or later, we expect to have to replace the battery.


It sounds like your five-year old battery may not be equivalent of new any longer.




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Apr 23, 2025 5:27 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

After 50+ years in IT and over 20 in IT security for F100 companies I have to tell you that you definitely "do" have to be concerned with viruses and other malware on Macs, especially in the last 5 years. Risks increase as for who you are and how you use the machine. But I know that this is something of a religious topic with many, so I'll leave it at that.


BTW: Fully rebuilt the 2020 Intel MBP with only the OS and OEM software on a dummy local-only account, and I'm now seeing essentially zero battery degradation when powered off! When powered on and unplugged and screen on bright I saw only a 5% drop in battery after 2 hours just idling. I'm too busy right now to figure out what exactly was causing the battery drain, but thought I would update this thread. But it is definitely not hardware or an aged or bad battery. I didn't have anything unusual on it. Adobe Cloud, Ulysses and Microsoft Office were the main products I used on it. I'll have time in a month or so and I'll pull it out and play around with it. I'll update this thread if I find something.


Peace.

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Apr 23, 2025 10:19 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Whether or not Mac "needs" an AV is a different question on whether or not Macs get viruses and other forms of malware, which by experience they definitely do. I have yet to run across a Mac AV tool worth the disk space to install it. I came close to BitDefender but then they added a feature that will take snapshots of the user under certain circumstances, which I interpreted as a HUGE privacy problem, especially if BD itself got hacked, or they had an insider risk issue. Bot armies and bitcoin mining is still a thing unfortunately, and there is a current spate of stuff going on with Macs as I write this. Regardless, I ran a 1-off AV scan to eliminate that as a possibility, given it is a hit-or-miss it would actually find anything of course.


Since the CCCleaner debacle a few years ago I don't run software that needs excessive permissions on either Windows or macOS. That is a hard "no" for me.


As far as file sync utilities, unfortunately as much as I love the iCloud environment it sucks when it comes to collaboration and sharing and is lacking in cross-platform needs, since I need to be on both Macs and Windows, so I use OneDrive for that cross platform need and limit the folders being synced. And I wouldn't install iCloud for Windows if you paid me. And "yes" I've had a number of problems with OneDrive (and Teams) on Macs, including performance issues, but unfortunately it's a necessity for me. When I was doing my initial testing I uninstalled OneDrive since I first suspected it, but my battery drain problem persisted.


My strategy when I get back to this is to slowly rebuild the original environment and test along the way.


However, a 4-5 year old MacBook could get into an odd state that was causing the problem and rebuilding the OS might have inadvertently fixed the issue itself. Windows has historically had this issue and rebuilding a PC every 3-4 years keeps it running smoothly, though I have yet to run across that particular problem on Linux based OS's. But maybe that is what is going on here.


Anyway, I should probably get back to work :\

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