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This is what it shows in Safari
And:
as it appears in Firefox (correctly).
There is no way to change the appearance of text in Safari in 15.1? A flaw; something is broken in the design/code.
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MacBook Pro 14″
jinet wrote:
Here is a link to the web page info from Firefox
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIzCi-1zcd76yzxHRfxsSJNP_TNyDpHhtfvvY1uC8W4/edit?usp=sharing
I was able to reproduce what you are seeing from that. The stylesheets are publicly accessible, so I was able to hack together an HTML file with the text, filtering through Google Lens to extract the actual Greek text.
The cause is an error in the CSS stylesheets from the site. In the "tlg.css" stylesheet, they define a class of "greektext" with a font-family value of "default". The problem is that there is no "default" font-family. You can review the CSS specification of font-family yourself.
So, what happens is that the browser looks for a font literally named "default" and doesn't find it. The CSS specification mentions that CSS developers should always include generic fallback font if a more specific font isn't available. That isn't done here. Since neither browser can find the font named "default", the font they display is implementation defined. That's a fancy way of saying "good luck!".
Safari seems to use the internal PingFang font to render in this case. It seems to recognize "default" and does something special with that name. If I specific a different, but still invalid, font name, then it uses "Times".
The solution is to properly specify the font in the CSS file. A more appropriate value would be something like "serif" (without the quotes).
jinet wrote:
Here is a link to the web page info from Firefox
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIzCi-1zcd76yzxHRfxsSJNP_TNyDpHhtfvvY1uC8W4/edit?usp=sharing
I was able to reproduce what you are seeing from that. The stylesheets are publicly accessible, so I was able to hack together an HTML file with the text, filtering through Google Lens to extract the actual Greek text.
The cause is an error in the CSS stylesheets from the site. In the "tlg.css" stylesheet, they define a class of "greektext" with a font-family value of "default". The problem is that there is no "default" font-family. You can review the CSS specification of font-family yourself.
So, what happens is that the browser looks for a font literally named "default" and doesn't find it. The CSS specification mentions that CSS developers should always include generic fallback font if a more specific font isn't available. That isn't done here. Since neither browser can find the font named "default", the font they display is implementation defined. That's a fancy way of saying "good luck!".
Safari seems to use the internal PingFang font to render in this case. It seems to recognize "default" and does something special with that name. If I specific a different, but still invalid, font name, then it uses "Times".
The solution is to properly specify the font in the CSS file. A more appropriate value would be something like "serif" (without the quotes).
This message is for Apple engineers.
Then you should probably contact them. We’re all just users here.
Can you explain what the problem is here? Do you have a link? This appears to be two different web sites using two different fonts. Safari doesn't define the font used on a website. The website controls that.
What exactly is incorrect in Safari? Just the font style?
Safari has never offered control of fonts, except via a local custom style sheet. For direct font control you need to use a different browser.
jinet wrote:
The bolding is wrong and new only with the latest Safari. The 2nd image is how the same text used to look and does look in Firefox.
Do you know what font is specified by that page in its html/css? URL?
No, I don't know that. This is the URL
(Not sure if you will need to authenticate to the site to view this page. In fact, you probably cannot access it.)
Wow. That's amazing. I have passed this on to the TLG site. Something apparently new has changed in Safari that threw off the formatting of the Greek. BTW I knew that the community users would figure this out before Apple engineers! : )
Thanks for taking the trouble to sleuth this.
jinet wrote:
Thanks again. I sent the information to the site owners and they patched their CSS settings. It all works again, thanks to your intervention. 5 stars.
Wow. That's impressive. You don't see web sites being that responsive very often.
Done. thanks. (though Users might know things that engineers don't)
The bolding is wrong and new only with the latest Safari. The 2nd image is how the same text used to look and does look in Firefox.
In firefox, for that text do Tools > Browser Tools > Page Source and post the results here
Unable to post without an error!
Here is a link to the web page info from Firefox
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tIzCi-1zcd76yzxHRfxsSJNP_TNyDpHhtfvvY1uC8W4/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks again. I sent the information to the site owners and they patched their CSS settings. It all works again, thanks to your intervention. 5 stars.
Sequoia fonts: no control
