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Apple's Spam Filter just creates double work

I open my inbox. I click on junk mail to send dozens and dozens of emails there./


Now I open Junk Mail. I have to send dozens of good emails back.


What's the purpose of having. second folder if I can't mark a sender as legitimate, or another sender as a spammer?


Selecting block does nothing but mark it blocked.


HOW does this help anyone? I want to click on spam and have them NEVER email me again. I want it to know that someone is legitimate and not make me serachg for it elsewhere.


Is it me? Am I doing something wrong? Why no whitelist? How does mail from people that I mail to daily end up in spam?



Posted on Sep 28, 2024 2:24 AM

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Oct 4, 2024 6:06 PM in response to Jarmaracark

The spam filter does not use:

  • The sender’s email address, which is ALWAYS faked for spam, so there’s no point in blocking it
  • The content of the message


What it DOES use is metadata in the message header that you don’t normally see, including SPF, DMARC, DKIM and other authentication data that legitimate senders include in their header metadata, that can be back traced to the sending server’s DNS zone file. If it fails any authentication data it goes to junk.


Senders who are listed in any of over a dozen spam databases such as SPAMHAUS also are sent to the junk folder. And if you have any spam filtering apps such as NOMOROBO, mail that is in their blacklist also go to the junk folder.


What may also go to junk is messages that are legitimate and pass the authentication tests, but have either images that don’t authenticate, or the email address is not in your Contacts (the only time it uses email address, and only if all other authentication passes).

Sep 29, 2024 5:41 PM in response to Jarmaracark

I open my inbox. I click on junk mail to send dozens and dozens of emails there./

Now I open Junk Mail. I have to send dozens of good emails back.

Why are you doing that? You should send emails you think are Junk to Junk and the Junk mail filter might have some ability to learn. It sounds like you are sending legitimate emails to Junk, then moving them back. Why?

If you are thinking that the sender will be marked as a "spammer," that is not so. The "sender" is faked. The Junk mail filter knows this.

What's the purpose of having. second folder if I can't mark a sender as legitimate, or another sender as a spammer?

By default, if the sender is in your Contacts, then it is trusted.

By moving it to Junk, the filter may learn that the sender is not legitimate through other means, but the sender will likely not be the same the next time.

Selecting block does nothing but mark it blocked.

Yes. See below.

HOW does this help anyone? I want to click on spam and have them NEVER email me again. I want it to know that someone is legitimate and not make me serachg for it elsewhere.

That's not possible.

First, the email address is most likely faked. The same spammer will send another message with a different sender. you can't win that whack-a-mole game.

Second, your email service provider would have to provide any Block to prevent messages from getting to your email account. I don't know if any email providers would provide such a service. Seems like a lot of overhead.

Is it me? Am I doing something wrong?

Not sure, but it sounds like you think it works entirely different than how it does work. Same-same for your understanding of spam email.

Why no whitelist?

The "whitelist" is your contacts.

How does mail from people that I mail to daily end up in spam?

Is "Trust Junk Mail headers in messages" enabled? An email message does not travel directly from the sender to the receiver. It may end up sitting on several email servers (mail exchangers) en-route to you. Those servers may decide the message looks like spam and mark it as such with an X-Spam header. If you have that setting enabled, the Junk mail filter will believe that above all else.

And, finally, the Mail/iCloud Junk Mail filter is not the best in the world. If you don't like how it works, turn it off and install something else.

Sep 29, 2024 10:39 PM in response to Barney-15E

I did approach this from the perspective of what I was doing wrong. But I wonder if you might have misread.


I opened the spam folder to double check. I move items back to the IN bod that the spam filter placed there incorrectly. No matter how many times I move the item back to IN, the filter does not learn the sender is legitimate.


Likewise,mail stays in my IN folder that I move to spam multiple times.


I do appreciate feedback about what I may have done in error, but you've created a scenario and then reacted to that scenario. I don't even begin to know how to react.

Sep 30, 2024 8:50 AM in response to Jarmaracark

I opened the spam folder to double check. I move items back to the IN bod that the spam filter placed there incorrectly. No matter how many times I move the item back to IN, the filter does not learn the sender is legitimate.

As I tried to explain, the sender is not how a spam filter works. The sender email address is always faked in Spam, so filtering based on it will be fruitless.

Likewise,mail stays in my IN folder that I move to spam multiple times.

That sounds like a server problem. Are you using Gmail or a derivative?

I do appreciate feedback about what I may have done in error, but you've created a scenario and then reacted to that scenario. I don't even begin to know how to react.

Neither do I. I just tried to explain how it works. It seems you think it works differently than it actually does. There isn’t any instant gratification with the built-in spam filter. It will take a long time to learn, and it will never “learn” a sender. It can override the known senders in your Contacts, if you have it set to trust spam headers.

Oct 4, 2024 5:51 PM in response to Barney-15E

I stated what was in my junk filter. I use the system to put things in there automatically, but it does so erroneously.


I never stated that >I< moved legit email in there and out of it again. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. I use it exactly as designed--clicking on inappropriate mail and having it moved there. The bulk is moved there automatically.


I understand spoofed email. When spam comes from the same email address, I will also block it. It continues to deliver the blocked email that is also sent to junk to my inbox. (Type 2 errors)


I don't know how the email filter works. but when I continue to send over multiple emails from the same address. with the same title and the same content, and all have a link to the same url, the filtering system should at least use one of those characteristics to send it to junk in the future.


Then there are also the type 1 errors..falsely placing them in the junk filter. I check them out and move them back to my inbox. The filter never recognizes this.


I could start to write out rules for every email address, but I don't always know the email for those who are going to contact me.


I welcome your advice, providing you are responding to my questions, offering alternatives, explaining limitations and not responding to a scenario that I never mentioned then insult me for it. You are clearly a knowledgeable and intelligent person, but you are not responding to MY questions. If you can't, please allow someone else to respond to my questions. Thank you.




Apple's Spam Filter just creates double work

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