Time Machine will no longer support Time Capsule formatted with AFP Apple Filing Protocol

Annoyedmacuser196 wrote:

Please be advised that this human being will no longer support the apple corporation and its shareholders- I won’t be updating my OS and will continue to use time capsule and after decades of using these products my next computer will be a PC

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Annoyedmacuser196 wrote:

Please be advised that this human being will no longer support the apple corporation and its shareholders- I won’t be updating my OS and will continue to use time capsule and after decades of using these products my next computer will be a PC

if Microsoft Windows, Linux, BSD or any other choice serves your needs better, by all means use that.

Buy whatever best meets your needs.

For your case here, you can start using Windows 10 immediately with an Intel Mac too, using Boot Camp.

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Note: Microsoft has a TPM as a prerequisite for Windows 11 support, which greatly reduced the numbers of existing PCs that could update to Windows 11. Mac with Intel is not among those PCs with a TPM. (So you’ll need new hardware there, once you want to run Windows 11.)

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YMMV, I enabled Time Machine support on my ASUS CT8 router by:

1. Log in the router web admin at https://[router-ip]:8443
2. In the left menu bar, under General, select USB Application
3. Under USB Application, select Time Machine and enable
4. Under USB Application, select Servers Center, Network Place (Samba) and enable

As I said above, this was a little bit janky for me. If you aren't willing to invest in a NAS, then I'd just fall back into attaching an external hard drive to your Mac once a day.

I enabled Time Machine support on my ASUS CT8 router by.......

The question will be whether or not this will work with the next Mac operating system. Apple is basically saying that it won't.

If your Mac is running the current up to date Mac operating system.....that supports AFP and backups to a Time Capsule or hard drive attached to a compatible router.

The next Mac operating system won't support AFP.

Guy Towle--

To get the attention you deserve, PLEASE start a NEW discussion.

If you did not immediately find your solution by reading through the existing postings, you likely do not have "exactly the same problem" and need to explain from the beginning. This discussion is already way too crowded with different problems posted by different users with different hardware, different versions of MacOS, and different NAS.

Starting a new discussion will allow Readers to think hard about your exact situation and address the exact circumstances you are facing.

https://discussions.apple.com/post/question

.......but now I can't do that??

Not if the Mac is running Tahoe or higher. Will work on Macs running Sequoia and previous operating systems.

I wonder why Apple does not want customers to be able to have backups run in the background over a network. I selected the option to have encrypted backups and use file vault to encrypt the Mac storage so I would think that between the two plus the firewall that this might address any security concerns Apple may have for customers but apparently not.

Perhaps Apple wants people to backup everything to their cloud servers. I am not sure how safe that really is compared to the supposedly older technology and insofar as customers having to plug in a drive to backup, it sure feels like we are going back in time. I remember having to connect laptops to hard drives for backups way back in the 1990s and 2000s some 15 years ago now.

Perhaps the marketing and finance and accounting people in Apple had more to do with this decision than the technical hardware and software people. Sure does not seem in line with what Steve Jobs vision once was. Perhaps Apple and Mr. Cook are showing their age. C'est la vie. Wireless incremental backups were nice while they lasted. Much like federal social benefits that some people derogatorily refer to as entitlements, once you get used to something and then someone takes it away, it feels like a real loss. Such is life. Thanks for the detail reply.

RAID sounds so romantic and wonderful -- until you live with it through a drive failure and learn ALL about it. RAID can be really useful for "always-available" processing. But it comes with some serious compromises. As you know, RAID is NOT backup.

[in my opinion] most users would be far better served by dedicating multiple drives to multiple independent backups. That is what I have implemented as well.

Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

RAID sounds so romantic and wonderful -- until you live with it through a drive failure and learn ALL about it. RAID can be really useful for "always-available" processing. But it comes with some serious compromises. As you know, RAID is NOT backup.

I’ve been using RAID for $NUMERIC_OVERFLOW years, including many recoveries.

RAID is handy when the disk fails though, and disks can fail a sector or a spindle at a time, or an entire array. Under nothing, or under an important file.

Yep. RAID is not (usually) a backup. But it can be. I’ve used RAID-1 as a backup, by rotating disks out of the array for local or off-site backup, and re-merging the returning disks, or re-merging new “empty” disks. That usually with three or more volumes in the RAID-1, and a RAID controller that’s not, um, untalented.

[in my opinion] most users would be far better served by dedicating multiple drives to multiple independent backups. That is what I have implemented as well.

Just a Box Of Disks. JBOD.

But I’m not a big fan of a nest of USB devices and cables which can result from that.

Time Machine backups to a few JBOD disks works well as an alternative, though. Or Time Machine to two RAID pools, if there are enough Macs and enough of a budget.

Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

RAID sounds so romantic and wonderful -- until you live with it through a drive failure and learn ALL about it. RAID can be really useful for "always-available" processing.

With really large drives, a rebuild could take a while. You can get 3.5" mechanical hard drives with capacities as high as 24 TB (each). 150 MB/s is a good transfer rate for a mechanical hard drive. I believe I calculated that it would take over 44 hours to transfer 24 TB of data, running continuously flat out at that rate.

One thing you absolutely don't want to do is to put a hard drive which uses Shingled Magnetic Recording into a RAID. These drives store data in such a way that when you rewrite one sector, you may destroy data next to it, forcing the system to save and rewrite the data in that area, and so forth, and so on. This absolutely tanks the speed of doing a RAID rebuild and makes it much more likely that the RAID will suffer another failure before the rebuild can complete – if it completes at all.

I'm not very techy, so I need some translation. I use an old but still works airport at my office to connect to the interneat and a time capsule at home to connet and use the backup at home. Do I need to buy something new? Will these devices still allow me to connect to the internet, or is this just backup? I'm not even sure what to ask! If I still want the backup, what do I need to get to continue that? Please keep this in very much lay terms. Thank you. P.S. I do not know what AFB is or NS, or whatever the initials mean. I just want to know what I need to get to continue connecting to the internet and to continue backing up my computer. Again, Thank You!!

Patricia Podolec wrote:

I'm not very techy, so I need some translation. I use an old but still works airport at my office to connect to the interneat and a time capsule at home to connet and use the backup at home. Do I need to buy something new? Will these devices still allow me to connect to the internet, or is this just backup?

This just affects using a disk drive that is part of, or attached to, a Time Capsule or an AirPort base station. You will still be able to use Time Capsule or Airport base station as a Wi-Fi router.

Note that Wi-Fi radio and security standards have evolved over time.

The earliest AirPort base station only had an 802.11b ("up to 11 Mbps") radio, and only supported WEP security. WEP is basically no security; people discovered ways to crack it in less than a minute. A quick browse through MacTracker suggests that all other AirPort base stations, and all Time Capsules, support WPA2. WPA2 isn't the latest security standard (that would be WPA3), but it is better than WPA and much better than WEP.

I’ve got data on my Time Capsule that I don’t want to lose. Does this mean that i need to do one or more of:

• copy all data off the Time Capsule to something more modern.
• remove the Time Capsule hard drive and put it into an external drive case. Will TC still function as a router/AP without a hard drive?
• keep the capability of running an older version of MacOS

before upgrading MacOS.