Are there cautions about new Sequoia 15.4.1 update?

Red and Blue wrote:

I just updated to Sequoia 15.4.1, and it's still doing that behavior. The first time I tried it after the MacBook has been updated or restarted, if I highlight a file title text first and click the top edit button, it just says Copy. But as soon as I select a file without highlighting it and click the Edit button it will properly show the full title of the file after Copy. However after that if I double click and highlight another file, I don't even have to have copied the text of a previous file, just the fact that I opened the Edit function on the top bar while a file was selected will cause it to retain that title when I go to copy a double clicked text file of another file. I suggest you try it again--I'm pretty sure it's a universal bug, as several other people could reproduce it last year, including someone in AppleCare customer support I believe, when they correctly followed procedure.

Ok, I followed your steps carefully and I do see the behavior. But I'm not so sure it is a "bug" per se. It seems to be how Apple is retaining information or memory or history of a sequence of actions. I can see how some users (like you) would prefer this not be the behavior of the system, but others might want to see what their last step was in a sequence or series of actions.

Put another way -- it is not a bug because the correct item was indeed copied, as you yourself pointed out. It seems that by showing the last action, the OS is showing some history of what was last done. But the requested action (copy something) does occur correctly. You don't want to see what the previous file was in that menu item but some users might want that.

If this is something that will or should be changed, I would guess it is the lowest possible priority because it causes no harm. Some might consider it simply a feature. I cannot come up with any way that this is a security risk. If someone can access your Mac and click on files and filenames and then click on Edit menu items, they can do anything on that Mac anyway. Someone can always look over your shoulder anytime you use your Mac. I can't fathom how this is a security risk. Just like showing a list of files recently opened in a drop down menu is not a security risk either.

I don't think I would ever have noticed this behavior had I not read your post and I even had trouble reproducing it (but was finally able to). If this is the worst feature of 15.4.1, we're in pretty good shape with Sequoia.

Of course, lists of previously opened files and things like that can be an equal, not security, but privacy issue. The only thing is if you have deleted a file and think someone might not be able to see it it could still persist but it's a hypothetical and low priority issues as far as that aspect. I don't have anyone looking over my shoulder anyway. But I do not believe this is an intentional behavior or feature. For example, if you select a file before highlighting it and then go to the edit button and then highlight it, it will show the file you have selected when it is highlighted. But that is only because it is has replaced the previous file title with the you have just selected--it actually should not show any title once you highlight the text, which is how it always worked previously on earlier operating systems. I called AppleCare and spoke to a senior advisor about the issue, he suggested I make a QuickTime recording of the problem and send it to them and they'll pass it on to the engineers so they're aware of it, whether for one of the remaining updates to Sequoia or so that it doesn't carry over into the next operating system, hopefully. Actually, one benefit from this is that I've learned to use Command C, which is usually much easier and quicker. Probably most people were doing that already which is why they didn't notice the bug.

Red and Blue wrote:

You're right about the relative importance of that issue as far as security if someone else is using your account, but it is still a bug, and it annoys me because it distracts me when I go to copy that way.

We don't know that it's a bug. All we know is that you don't like it. I suspect it's intentional behavior.

Red and Blue wrote:

Of course, lists of previously opened files and things like that can be an equal, not security, but privacy issue.

And, as I already pointed out, the security and privacy issues are easily dealt with.

Red and Blue wrote:

Who is "we" that doesn't know that it's a bug? You mean you don't know. I know that it's a bug as much as you don't know that it isn't a bug. Others have agreed that it's a bug.

None of us know for certain that it's a bug. You can believe it is. But, that doesn't make it so. I don't think it is, but my ego isn't wrapped in being right about this.

And, in the end, it doesn't matter. This is how things behave now. All you can do is submit feedback and work with it as best you can. Easily resolved security and privacy issues are just so many straw men.

It's not about ego being wrapped up in it, there seems to be a small community here with pretensions to be the arbitrators of what is and isn't. I submitted a video recording of the bug behavior to Apple but now I have to follow up and get them to this send it to engineering--thanks for reminding me about that with your comment.

Red and Blue wrote:

I submitted a video recording of the bug behavior to Apple but now I have to follow up and get them to this send it to engineering--thanks for reminding me about that with your comment.

Everyone needs a hobby...

And your hobby seems to be making snide remarks on this forum. I did call back and talk to a different senior AppleCare representative. It turns out the previous rep didn't inform me I have to also download their capture data app and run it at the same time or within or 24 hours of making the video, so I'd have to do that again and the main issue is I do not wanna give them all that data. But she did make a report on it. And also I had her go through the steps. She was working on an 2022 iMac M1, and behave properly on her machine, in other words, after selecting a file, then going to another file double clicking to highlight it and then going to the top edit bar, simply said Copy with no title after it. She confirmed that's the proper behavior. I told her that someone on the forum here suggested it was a feature, and she laughed and said it wasn't a feature. So it may just be certain hardware has the bug. So now you continue can with your hobby of making snide remarks.

Red and Blue wrote:

And your hobby seems to be making snide remarks on this forum. I did call back and talk to a different senior AppleCare representative. It turns out the previous rep didn't inform me I have to also download their capture data app and run it at the same time or within or 24 hours of making the video, so I'd have to do that again and the main issue is I do not wanna give them all that data. But she did make a report on it. And also I had her go through the steps. She was working on an 2022 iMac M1, and behave properly on her machine, in other words, after selecting a file, then going to another file double clicking to highlight it and then going to the top edit bar, simply said Copy with no title after it. She confirmed that's the proper behavior. I told her that someone on the forum here suggested it was a feature, and she laughed and said it wasn't a feature. So it may just be certain hardware has the bug. So now you continue can with your hobby of making snide remarks.

Thank you so much for that follow up information.

Red and Blue wrote:

And your hobby seems to be making snide remarks on this forum. I did call back and talk to a different senior AppleCare representative. It turns out the previous rep didn't inform me I have to also download their capture data app and run it at the same time or within or 24 hours of making the video, so I'd have to do that again and the main issue is I do not wanna give them all that data. But she did make a report on it. And also I had her go through the steps. She was working on an 2022 iMac M1, and behave properly on her machine, in other words, after selecting a file, then going to another file double clicking to highlight it and then going to the top edit bar, simply said Copy with no title after it. She confirmed that's the proper behavior. I told her that someone on the forum here suggested it was a feature, and she laughed and said it wasn't a feature. So it may just be certain hardware has the bug. So now you continue can with your hobby of making snide remarks.

Much appreciated that you are running this important issue to ground. What are your next steps at this point?

Ha that maybe true re bug fixes, it depends if you value having your brother printer working. I finally figured it out - it's to do with Sequoia forcing the router to switch to 5GhZ, not 2.4GhZ under the wifi7 protocol. So I had to have a guy install a wifi bridge to sort it out - but man was it complicated to figure out.......Brother were useless, Apple too.

eercolani wrote:

Please do not reply anymore to my question. I first backed up with Time Machine. I successfully updated to 15.4.1 and then updated Pages, Numbers, Garage Band, and Keynote. All my documents and programs work! To everyone who replied to my question about the update, thank you.

It's great to hear that you resolved your issue successfully.

What you will be less successful with is getting people to stop replying to the thread. I'd advise just walking away. You don't need to participate any more if you don't want to.

Best of luck.

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