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Time Machine has suddenly decided not to backup, not sure how to proceed

I am using the latest version of Ventura, Version 13.6.9 (22G830)


My MacBook Pro's total storage is 1 Terabyte, currently there is 173.51 GB available.


I run my Time Machine backups to an external Flash drive with a total capacity of 1 terabyte. In other words, they are equal in total size.


Today, for some reason I received the following alert:


"Time Machine couldn’t complete the backup to “PORTA XX BackUp”


Time Machine was only able to complete 81% of the backup because there is insufficient free space on the backup disk."


“PORTA XX BackUp” is the Flash drive (backup) – the MacBook Pro's drive is named "PORTA XX."


Now I understand that numerous, repeated backups are larger than backup space available, but also understood that Time Machine is supposed to automatically dump the oldest backups to make room for the newer backups.


This automatic process has now stopped. I have no idea why and I am not quite sure how fix this issue. My draconian solution is to reformat (erase) the backup drive and start a new backup from scratch.


Obviously I would like to avoid that heavy lift and find better option and even if that is the solution, I'd like to know why this took place.


Thanks.

MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 13.6

Posted on Oct 31, 2024 7:22 PM

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Posted on Nov 1, 2024 7:11 AM

Caught in the "latest" trap again. The current version of Ventura is 13.7.1, not 13.6.9.


Time Machine does feature the ability to remove certain older backups but that is not intended to magically make room for the size of your current backup.


The normal Time Machine drive size scaling is 2.5 - 3x the size of your internal boot drive. Your 1:1 scaling has caught up to you and to proceed, you will need more storage. That will either be in the form of a newly APFS formatted 2 TB TM SSD drive and a first backup to it or sacrificing the existing drive by reformatting it APFS and a first backup to it. I recommend the new drive approach as you lose no backup content from the now set aside 1 TB drive.



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Nov 1, 2024 7:11 AM in response to Garrett Cobarr

Caught in the "latest" trap again. The current version of Ventura is 13.7.1, not 13.6.9.


Time Machine does feature the ability to remove certain older backups but that is not intended to magically make room for the size of your current backup.


The normal Time Machine drive size scaling is 2.5 - 3x the size of your internal boot drive. Your 1:1 scaling has caught up to you and to proceed, you will need more storage. That will either be in the form of a newly APFS formatted 2 TB TM SSD drive and a first backup to it or sacrificing the existing drive by reformatting it APFS and a first backup to it. I recommend the new drive approach as you lose no backup content from the now set aside 1 TB drive.



Nov 2, 2024 8:01 AM in response to Garrett Cobarr

Garrett Cobarr wrote:

"Caught in the "latest" trap again." Not sure I understand what you mean by "trap"

The "trap" as in many users say they are on the latest version of something and more often than not, they are not. Your Ventura installation is two updates behind.



"Time Machine does feature the ability to remove certain older backups but that is not intended to magically make room for the size of your current backup."

This is incorrect.

If incorrect, then why didn't Time Machine remove sufficient files from the drive so your backup would complete normally on that 1TB drive that has insufficient storage? I trust my practical experience more than what I read in Apple documentation which may brush-stroke over fine details. I don't read what I want to believe, but what I observe in practical usage.



Back up your Mac with Time Machine

Excerpt from page...

"Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 hours, daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all previous months. The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full."

I've had this backup drive since the purchase of the machine, about 4 years. I remember a few years ago when I reached the limit of space and was alerted that Time Machine would start to delete older files. This has likely occurred numerous times since that warning.

So something else has happened.



Nov 1, 2024 2:43 PM in response to VikingOSX

"Caught in the "latest" trap again." Not sure I understand what you mean by "trap"


"Time Machine does feature the ability to remove certain older backups but that is not intended to magically make room for the size of your current backup."


This is incorrect.


Back up your Mac with Time Machine


Excerpt from page...


"Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups for the past 24 hours, daily backups for the past month, and weekly backups for all previous months. The oldest backups are deleted when your backup disk is full."


I've had this backup drive since the purchase of the machine, about 4 years. I remember a few years ago when I reached the limit of space and was alerted that Time Machine would start to delete older files. This has likely occurred numerous times since that warning.


So something else has happened.



Nov 2, 2024 6:54 AM in response to Garrett Cobarr

Garrett Cobarr wrote:
My MacBook Pro's total storage is 1 Terabyte, currently there is 173.51 GB available.

I run my Time Machine backups to an external Flash drive with a total capacity of 1 terabyte. In other words, they are equal in total size.


That's not enough.


VikingOSX wrote:

The normal Time Machine drive size scaling is 2.5 - 3x the size of your internal boot drive. Your 1:1 scaling has caught up to you and to proceed, you will need more storage.


👍


If you want a more in-depth technical explanation you can search this site for the boring details, but it won't change the answer: You need more capacity. 2 TB might be sufficient.

Nov 5, 2024 2:31 PM in response to John Galt

Day before yesterday I visited the Apple Genius Bar and was assigned a Tier 2 support guy. I went for multiple reasons, not just the Time Machine issue but also the wide spread issue with Ventura and the quick closing of the Apple Store window when launched.


I posed the question about basic size needs: disk to backup and backup disk. He confirmed what I already knew that to sufficiently cover my working files and documents, a 1 gig drive is covered by a 1 gig drive. This setup will not cause the original question...


"Time Machine couldn’t complete the backup to “PORTA XX BackUp”

Time Machine was only able to complete 81% of the backup because there is insufficient free space on the backup disk."


That issue is being caused by the need for a firmware upgrade, which is included in one of the two Ventura upgrades that I cannot currently access due to my Apple Store. So I am now going leap past Sonoma to Sequoia and hope for the best.

Bear in mind, I do not back up the entire drive, just the working documents, which at this writing is about 800gigs, the rest of the drive is OS, apps, etc.


Regardless, no matter how big your backdrop drive is, at some point, older files will need to be dumped. Here's where personal working habits and technical setup comes into play – and choice.


My MacBook Pro is a mobile workspace, I share all working files via SyncThing to my rack mounted Mac Pro that has a drive in the region or 10 terabytes, all of that is then backed up to a 20 terabytes remote backup system, this is accomplished with SuperDuper.


Even that capacious amount of storage, will, at some point, dump older files. That is the nature of transitory backup, unless you can afford 'infinite size backup' which does not exist, you need to make some choices. Files that need to be archived longer than years and years, like business files, I offload to optical disks.


I can understand that if your only computer is the one you need to back up, then yes, double -maybe triple the size of the backup drive. That is not my condition, my MacBook Pro with Time Machine, can cover me for the last hour if I make a dumb mistake or for that mater, going back a year or more. If my MacBook Pro gets stolen or is taken out by a meteor that I survive, then, as I am triple redundant backed up, no worries except that I have to replace a fairly expensive device.


Do not confuse what you prefer or your unique conditions with what is technically required.


"I trust my practical experience more than what I read in Apple documentation which may brush-stroke over fine details. I don't read what I want to believe, but what I observe in practical usage". – VikingOSX.


You cited no technical sources, I cited the company that makes the hardware and software and has been saying the same thing for as long as Time Machine has been available.


"If you want a more in-depth technical explanation you can search this site for the boring details, but it won't change the answer: You need more capacity. 2 TB might be sufficient." – John Galt.


Perhaps those boring details are worth your investigation in order to answer technical questions beyond urban legend and personal bias.


Again, to reiterate, the issue I have with Time Machine throwing an error and refusing to complete backup is a firmware update need, it is not an issue with the size of my backup drive.



Nov 5, 2024 5:00 PM in response to Garrett Cobarr

FWIW. When I need to troubleshoot difficult Time Machine (TM) backup issues, I have a number of "tools" on my tool belt. One of those is The Eclectic Light Company's Time Machine Mechanic (TMM).


As you can imagine, TM performs a number of tasks and is very dependent on others to be successful. TMM helps by allowing you to see each of TM's backup process steps directly from the macOS system logs. This can help determine where the process fails.


The app's author's website has provide numerous articles over the years on both TM's evolution, as well as, details on its inner workings. They're worth a read, if you have the inclination.

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